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13 comments:
Wagon seems to be pretty long
Anybody know the dimensions
two would load on a 70' flat car
This photo sure makes them
look much longer than that
It is a real shame none of the Concello seat wagon's exist today.
A real feat of engineering.
Did they fit two on... side by side??
klsdad
These would load two to a flat car, one in front of the other.
The last one of these was at Astro-World before the Judge had his stroke and he and Mel Miller had plans to add a circus themed attraction to the park. I took photos and measurements for Jim Caldwell of all the wagons moved from Goodman's to Houston and he used some of my photos in his articles in the LCW. Sadly I do not know what became of my photos and notes I had sent to Mr. Caldwell after his passing.
p.j.
They would never have fit
side by side & I'd bet the
flat was longer than 70
OK, using my rough estimated measurements (tire was .75 in. and trailer 6.75) and assuming the tire was 4' in diameter that would make the trailer 36' long so 2 could fit on a flatcar. (I guessed they were longer too. Also, I won't be offended if someone improves my shaky science.)
That would still be longer
than a 70 ft flat & where
would the steering poles go
Uh Uh I'd still bet the flats
were longer than 70s even if
the wagons were only 35 ft
We need some detail specific
model builder to be sure
Harold Dunn would have known
By the 50's they were unloading with tractors which backed up on the flats and pulled a string of wagons down the runs. The wagon tongue or wagon pole folded flat to the front of all the seat wagons. The removable wagon tongue had gone the way of the circus draft horse.
The Warren built flats are 70' long and the Warren stocks are 72' long. These had been on the show since the late 1920's.
The show did purchase some Thrall flat cars in the late 40's and again in the mid 50's. They are 72' long.
p.j. a student of Harold Dunn's
I had opportunity to know
Harold for his last years
I bought his building from
his son after Harold died
His cement block fortress
is my warehouse of trash
I remember reading an article about the 72 ft Thrall flat cars by Robert Cline. Taken from his Sawdust and Spangles column, dated January 13, 2009. This is in regards to the history of flatcar #231 ( a 72 ft Thrall built flatcar) at the Circus World Museum.
"This flatcar is a 72 ft Thrall design flat. It was purchased from the Royal American Shows on January 28, 1987 by the CWM for $2000.00 . While on RAS it was numbered #35.
The origin of this car is from the Thrall Car Manufacturing Company. It was built in 1949 for RBBB. It was intended for use by two of the steel seat wagons designed by Art Concello but it was discovered the seat wagons were too heavy for these flats."
This is why the seat wagons were built to load two on the 70 ft Warren flatcars.
p.j.
Thanks PJ but it would be nice to
know the actual wagon dimensions
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