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28 comments:
Craig, could you please tell me what year this photo was taken, who the trainer is (Stafford Bullen?) and how many years this group worked?
thanks
This Steel Cage looks ( to me ) like it is made to resemble Bamboo !
A Very Nice Look for an Act like this .
I believe this is just an old steel arena that has seen a lot of abuse by the prop crew
I could tell you the worst prop crews, but should I name names ?
For p. white Was in the 50's, that's my uncle Ken working the cats. Not sure how long they worked. In those years the main show would split up, some times into 3 smaller shows, so there were animal act all round the country side, getting split up, sold ,that sort of thing
So Larry....you have the same type of prop crews...
By the way is p white short for Pat White who did the lay back on the rearing horse???
Thanks for the answers, Craig! That looks like it was a fun group.
Yes, I'm the p. white that did the the layback on the horse. But I have to confess it was a long time ago, I didn't do it very long. I was nearly decapitated by a guy wire doing it on the track, and the whole thing scared the beejeebers out of me. I don't know what was worse; the sidesaddle, going backward upside down, or the guy wires. My hat's off to trick riders, very brave people. I would never, ever do it again.
By the way, Larry and I have had many of the same prop crews...!
Pat,
When Bill Griffiths and little Bob Stevens had out Sells Bros in the early 60's, they had a teenager who did roman riding on 2 ponies. I saw it and it was scary. I later heard that one of the quarter poles took her out and that was the end of that act.
Bob Kitto
Yo, Pat, Larry,....Learn to throw the Boy's a lil stew....and your Arena will get better treatment!!....Jim Zajicek (Prop Boss)
Look Jim, I hear what you're saying but here's the facts. Neither Larry nor I have ever owned our own acts. I have always tried to take care of the animals and equipment like they were my own. However, as a salaried employee, explain why I should take money out of my own pockey so the prop crew 'makes nice' with the props owned by someone else? Because that way I can continue to do my work? That's blackmail, isn't it?. I've always tipped whatever my employer allowed. No more, no less.
That's fair, isn't it? And if not, explain why.
Besides, if the prop boss doesn't like you, your props get trashed regardless of how much you pay him anyway. The prop bosses on Jody Jordan's and Dicky Garden's show were always careful with my equipment though, and I appreciated it.
Ho ho ho Merry Christmas from Henry... !
Hi Pat! Funny what you said about the lay back. It was Jim Stockley who emailed me that it was you in the photo I'd seen of the lay back and he also told me that you didn't think much of the trick yourself. He told me this coz I mentioned to him that I was keen to give it a go myself. I'd never seen that trick done and thought it looked great. Like it or not, good for you! My hat goes off to you!!! Regards, Zelie Bullen (Craig's wife).
By the way, I meant to say money out of my own pocket, not my own pockey.
I believe Larry did own his own act at one time. I think you are rite about the other part though Pat, the tip will not save your props from abuse. Some guys just don't like carrying arena panels. I spend way more time patching cable, and welding frames, then I spend working the cats.
I will have to put in on this. Even though I did own my own act for a short time, I usually worked as a contract trainer. And it has always been the policy of almost every outfit I worked for to tip the prop crew and tip well.And it has been my experience that money does not cure all ills.
Probably one of the worst prop bosses I've ever worked with threatenend that if I thought the treatment was bad now,try stop tipping and see how it gets. And it ended up with the circus manager getting a welder to fix his peoples damage.
So, sorry Jim, I don't believe that was the problem. But then what would an elephant guy know about prop crews breaking props ? Elephant tubs are elephant strong and goof proof !
P.S.: Pat, your "pockey" typo really shot the seriousness of your message in the foot !
To Bob Kitto
The gal on Little Bob's show in the 60s, AKA Sells Bros, on the roman riding would have been none other than ZoeAnn later married to Glen Henry's son, Gary, now living in Gainsville, Tx. She continued riding on her team of black and whites way beyond that point.I believe that was her debut.I recall the then announcer, upon her run down the hippodrome track, said "This girl is headed for the big time" ! Upon hearing this, Little Bob said "What the hell did he just say? This is the big time!"
I remmber it well.
Yo, Pat, Whadda ya mean! when Vito comes by askin for
"Protection" money.....I pay..Bada-Bing!..Jim Zajicek (AKA Gold Tooth Jimmy) P.S. Merry Cristmas
to you and Henry also....
Larry!! I am more "Famous" for my Piece
O Crap Magic act!! (Ummm, Best of the Lower priced Acts)....Have your "Abbotts Milk Pitcher" shattered!!!...Then....maybe, just maybe...You too will learn to open the purse strings!!!!...Jim Zajicek (Marshall Brodien)P.S. Brian Franzen can vouch for ME!!!!
Hi Zelie: I remember that picture, Jim S. was mixed up though; it wasn't me in the waltz & rear photo, but I sure had plenty of comments! Good luck trying it, it does look fantastic- All you need to have is:
1. a solid horse that does a 360 pivot, rears and strikes.
2. a sidesaddle with a leg hook that won't crack.
3. A back that won't crack either.
4. Level ground. Don't try this uphill.
5. Greater nerves of steel than me.
6. Craig to look away when you practice.
Gambatte kudasai ne! (do your best!) :-)
Larry: sorry, I'd forgotten you had your own tigers for a while. Anyway, you know darn well I shoot myself in the foot so often I walk with a permanent limp. pockey pookey puckey ha
Jim Z: Yo, yo, bada- bing- what... are you working for the Sopranos now?
Casey: I know what you mean. I've become quite proficient with ferrels and a nicopress myself!
to James C. Hall
Thanks for identifying the little girl on Sells Bros. As I remember her dad was there to look after her and wasn't very happy about some of the happenings at night after the show should have been sleeping, (it involved some screams that he didn't feel that his daughter should be subjected to).
Thanks again,
Bob Kitto
Zelie: to also help explain how I feel about the waltz & rear, here is my personal "Scare Scale" of 1 to 10, in ascending order.
#1: The day before giving birth.
#2: Swimming in dark water.
#3: Teenage boy two hours late coming home.
#5: Believing the words, "Trust me on this".
#6: Cockroach skittering up out of the drain.
#7: Skydiving.
#9: A 7 percent grade in a snowstorm with gears that slip on a mountain road with no guardrails.
#10: lion/tiger fights.
#14: waltz & rear
Be careful!
To Pat W. Craig and I are still laughing! Where are you working now? Had been keen to run into you somewhere someday but now that we know you also have a good sence of humour, even more so! Will be at Jim's in March, are you headed that way any time in the next decade? Zelie.
Zelie and Craig: I'm currently working in The Land of the Rising Sun, Samurais and Sushi. Will I be down there to have some more of Silvana's bobotie sometime in the next decade? That would be a great big absotively posolutely! And I'll be very happy to meet you both!
Most people find my sense of humor as appealing as wet socks on a cold day... so, thanks ;-)
One more, Zelie: I don't know if you'll find this, but I want to tell you Jim S. just sent me a photo of you standing behind the saddle of the beautiful rearing black Zorro horse. Wow.
Um, frankly, the waltz and rear is going to be a walk in the park for you!
To p white, Zelie sells herself a bit short some times, she is a hell of a horse woman, very good trainer, She trick rode at Ft Worth in 03 at the Stock Show and Rodeo with her instructor and 2 other girls, Tonya Foresberg and Niki Cammaert. Everyone said it was the best riding they had seen for years. I'm sure it was. Yeh, cool photo that, she does that stuff just for fun. Craig.
C & Z:
Holy smokes. The Ft. Worth Stock Show? That's great! That's too advanced for my riding skills. I think when/if I meet you two, rather than try to talk horses, I'll just stick to stupid horse jokes:
Man walks up to his horse and says, "Hey, Sonny, would you like a bucket of oats?"
Sonny lifts his tail and whispers, "Just a feewww".
(sorry; My Dad told me that one 40 years ago!)
Pat
I'd also like to add Craig, I think that's very cool how it's so obvious you're Zelie's number one fan..!
Pat W. Ok, now I feel all mushy! (Jim'll tell you, I'm pathetic like that!!!). I am very touched by what Craig wrote (I paid him by the way) and I actually happens to be HIS biggest fan too. Soopy really but true. Anyway, still keen to have a go at your famous trick when the opportunity arrises one day, it will. Looking forward to meetin' ya! Zelie.
C & Z:
I think that's wonderful you guys get along so
well... A little mushy, yeah; so- should I bring along an insulin shot so I don't go into a sugar coma if I spend time around you two???
JUST KIDDING! Ho ho ho, Have a Merry Christmas down under!
Pat
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