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Talk about a localized collection of pus...
rubbish, rubbish, rubbish
For $200. I can tell you some pretty interesting fairy tales, too.
Wow! It sounds like an extremely insightful and well-researched book. I can't wait until it's published so that I can add it to my collection...
...of things that I use solely to stabilize wobbly tables.
~Pat
if this book buys the feld legend about feld moving the show from tents to buildings, i question the overall accuracy unless there is something to back the claims up. feld legend says one thing, concello legend another. this has been discussed many times. for a $200.00 book, we should receive an answer to the question.
It would be a great thing if Goodall and Buckles named the book that caused them and others such indigestion. Too many people apparently believe in boogey men to go into the bookstore or library and find out for themselves.
The name "Feld" isn't in the index to the "$200 book," or the text. The volume only covers until 1950, before any involvement of the Felds. The title is "The Circus 1870-1950."
If you want to read about the tent to building conversion of RBBB, get a copy of "Bandwagon," July-Aug 1994 [fourteen years ago], wherein there's the article "Ringling-Barnum on Trucks, Season of 1957," by Fred D. Pfening, Jr. It pretty well blows away any boogey men.
The book should be titled "THERE'S A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE".
Before we get too carried away here trashing books we better get our books straight. The original post is about the new book "Step Right Up" by Bob Brooke which sells for $11.55 on Amazon. The OTHER new book for $200- is named "Circus" 1870-1950 and is NOT what the original post is about. You get what you pay for!!
Flint
How come D.R. always gets the short end of the stick (except in business deals) I'm not a Historian, yet CBCB BIGGER than C&B???? PLEASE!! Don't Bs a Bser.......
Wasn't LaVahn Hoh's book entitled "Step Right Up" and are there not perhaps a few others as well?
And who was the original sage who first said, "All I know is that I know nothing."?
Paul G.
Zych,
When did D.R. ever get the short end of any stick?
Wade Burck
To Dick Flint. Thanks for trying to straighten out Anonymous who makes such ridiculous comments that he is unwilling to sign his name. He doesn't know one book from another. I'm lile Wade Burck -if you have something worth while to write, sign you name. LOL
I have seen the $200 book and the color work is absolutely beautiful.
As far as the other books, 'Step
Right Up',this book is about sideshows. And I have had it for sale for a lot less than $11.95.
As far as using books to level your table, why don't have a professional fix your furniture, or if not that maybe you can have the book printed on softer paper, so you could use it like a catalog in your outhouse.
Yours truly, Sargent Schultz
Wade, Guinness Book of World Records, Gave the record to Vargas ...based on # of seats...Now this Guy claims CBCB is the Largest Tent show....
Friend John,
Different deal, when the weasels are ambushing your huckleberry, isn't it. LOL
Wade Burck
P.S. I don't know if this quote from our mutual friend, Dick Flint is relevant or not but here it is:
"Unfortunately, if one were to look at how the trade journal (Billboard) judged the earlier JRN shows, there is no comparable circus trade journal today as the reviewers are all fans."
To Jihn Goodall-
That was me (Steve) not Dick, that tried to do the straightening out.
Friend-Steve
Zych,
Leave it to you to bring in the "heavy fact artillery!!!" Guinness Book of World Records, no less. LOL
Wade Burck
Wade, having landed on this planet in 1961..(from Alpha Centuri) the "Largest Tenter" I have witnessed on your Planet...is/was Carson & Barnes when D.R. was at the Helm...
Vargas and CBCB in those days were the same size tent, however Vargas had plank seats througthout with exception of some VIP box seats on the front track. Beatty had the traditional blues, but on seat wagons [very nice] and the bible baqck chair seat grandstand on front and back track, plus CBCB had a side show menagerie all during those years, while Vargas had an outdoor picket line animal set up. Vargtas haD NO SPOOL, set up was erratic in each town to say the least and could not do a matinee on over night jumps and even just got it up in time for night show. No cookhouse, no timekeeper, no designated "pay day". No lot layout for parking front and back yard. Vargas parked in the back yard longways. Mickey Mouse Gypsy boxes, No sleepers for personnel workforce. No waterwagon and hose hook up left much to be desired. Light plant could not handle the load, and so on. I was there and the next year back with Beatty doing one nighters with organization. No comparison in how to run a circus. DR Miller would be a big push pole tent, long but narrow and not too high. No sideshow, outdoor animal picket lines. Different types of seating not too comfortable. Good south american acts, nice wardrobe and good cookhouse. From personal observations of being there, I would rate No.one,CBCB, No. 2 Carson Barnes, No. 3 Vargas.
It is too bad that with all of his fantastic accomplishments in making circus history and putting on great shows [three cat acts on each show], big specs with fabulous props and wardrobe, and creating two traveling shows of equal size and scope that Irvin Feld would demean his character by trying to change circus history in regard to creating the new at that time Ringling format from tent to Buildings. Art Concello masterminded the whole concept and it was trial and error for a few short years, but with promoters like Lahinsky and Feld, plus their in house dates [the garden, Boston, Cow Palace they would be very successful and then Irvin and Judge Roy Hofheinz would out bid and purchase the GSOE. Guys like Harry Dube, Rudy Bundy were important with Concello in getting it going. But it was not Irvin Feld who came up with the idea and format. Irvin Feld was a great man and did justice to the GSOE. We can certainly aknowlege that.
Thats me on the comment of rating the three shows. But I would like to say that Ringling, B and B, Forepaugh would be much bigger in scope and Floto, H-W, and Cole would be larger in every way than these last mentioned three. In Vargas case it would be a fleeting moment in circus history. The other two have very deep roots even today.
Johnny,
I didn't realize Ringling had 3 cat acts. What years were those? Thanks
Wade
When we sit around on a bale of hay and reminice about "whatever happened to so and so" from us who are here for the duration. Names like Vargas, etc. come up as fleeting moments in history and as for big tent shows we would sure have to rate the Big Toby Tyler extavaganza as one oof the biggest things to ever tour on trucks.
I have really been enjoying the comments on the with the newer circuses who was the biggest.
Great question to look at for the history books.
Now Vargas had a large tent 160 with 3-50 footers. Folks jammed in on those bleachers like sardines.
A great performance very close to Ringling.
I do not think they ever could have made a 4:30 and some times still working trying to open at 7:30.
Beatty Cole, 150 with 3-50's, cookhouse, sideshow, set up real early and was ready about 11am. Probably seat 5000 or less. 11 or 12 elephants at one time.
Clyde Beatty aand Dave Hoover later on. Good well rounded performance.
Carson and Barnes under Mr. circus, D. R. Miller. 140 push pole with 5-40 foot middles plus 2-20 foot middles for the trapeeze acts, an 8 pole tent. Also had 3 flying acts at one time, more elephants and animals than anyone at that time, a rhino, large hippo, giraffee, etc.
A great number of trucks to move every day.
Plus the owner, D. R. Miller loved the circus more than anyone I have ever seen, and made a fortune and lost a fortune.
Now if Judge Roy Hofheinz had not come up with the 7 !/2 million to put with the $500,000 from Irvin Feld, man that saved the circus, what would the history books say????
Ringling had 3 cat acts in 1944 and one was Willey Storey as one day on Beatty Cole he told me about it and the Great Alfred Court acts. Willey said he was there when May Kovar was killed.
Harry
Harry,
I didn't realize it meant working together. Didn't Circus America and the Texas Dates do that also?
Wade Burck
i'm sure mr reynolds would have better info than i do, but as i understand it, several times john north had 3 rings of cage acts, more often in the garden. i believe there were also 3 rings of cat acts in the early days, before cat acts were removed from the ringling program in the late 1920s. there were also several years that mr feld had three cage acts on the same show, though the third was often a cat/elephant/horse act or a tiger/horse display.
also i believe that beatty-cole was usually considered the number one under-canvas show in the late 50s/60s and later because of the quality of the acts. under the kernan/mccloskey leadership, many acts came to beatty-cole the season after they left ringling and there were almost no filler acts -- the acts were often better than those on ringling, such as the years with lanorma or pinito del oro in the aerial ballet, high wire acts like the gene mendez variations, josephine berosini and manfred doval, tight wire acts like tonito, herbie weber and attilina, the big zoppe riding act and later alberto's riding dogs, acrobatic acts like freddie and ortans and the carmenas, lucio and gilda cristiani, the freilanis, look at the programs for those years, beatty-cole provided the beginning foundation for the gaona flying, trampoline and casting acts, elvin bale did his heel catches over the bccb center ring before mving to ringling, and princess ming wong was a mesmerizing hair swinging act. the list goes on and on. even the end ring acts wouod have been center ring anywhere else. that was the key to beatty-cole, not the number of seats. the beatty-cole performance in those years was by far head and shoulders above anybody else but ringling and possibly polack.
Johnny,
Speaking of "durations", I think the Unknown Comedian already mentioned Toby Tyler on another thread: "What is he up to know? Isn't it about time for another showtime tsunami?"
Col., you better watch that bale of hay so it doesn't get "requisitioned".
Wade Burck
Henry Edgar,
I didn't know tiger riding acts were considered cage acts. In that case Hamid Morton had two cage acts for a number of years, as well as Dobrich and Charlie Germain among others in the late 60's early 70's.
Wade Burck
How many claws are on tiger?
How many claws do you see on the poster?
thisshould stir it up some
Anonymous....From being there also.....I would rate as far as size..1. Carson & Barnes 2.CBCB 3. Vargas as far as Quality of show..1.Vargas 2. Carson 3.CBCB As far as traditional appearance..1.CBCB 2.Carson 3.Vargas... For details as to how the list was compiled including but not limited to facts ect. please send a self addressed stamped envelope with $19.95 plus $6 for S&H to The Curator...Allow 5-6 weeks for delivery.....
In the 1950's ,Al G. Kelly and Miller Bros advertising said americas second largest circus.
they had a ton of animals, elephnats.
I have heard they made more money than Ringling tent show back then. They had a small nut and Barbara told me her Dad, D. R. Miller paid them $35 a week. Terrell Jacobs the lion king was on it in 1954.
When Ringling closed in 1956, D. R. came out with posters, Last of the Circus see it now or miss it Forever. I asked D. R. Miller about this, he said Harry, we jamed them at all towns we played, and turned some away.
Beatty Cole and Kelly Miller played some of the same towns and battled with posters trying to out do each other.
Beatty Cole had the greatest performer of all time, Clyde Beatty, and that is hard to come up against. He always pulled in the towners.
Al G. Kelly and Millers Bros and Carson and Barnes, had Terrell Jacobs, Tim McCoy, Sky King and that cat act with the dogs and cats.
Vargas had many a head liner also as i remember Pat Anthony and Harry Thomas in the same show. The klementis bike act was the best, Miss Loni from the Great Show on Eath, and the Bakers with 3 rings of horses and many more great acts.
All these circuses were my favorites as they treated us fans fantastic.
Cliff Vargas, D. R. Miller, Johnny Pugh, Ted Bowman, Harry Hammond, Edna Antes, and Mari-Jo Couls, were and are great friends through the years and made my circus experiences the greatest.
Bless them all for fun by the ton.
Harry Kingston
May Kovar wasw kille3ed after Riningling when she and her husband, elephant man Curley Schaffer were strugling to put together thgeir own cat act and the lion mauled her to death during practice. Her children witnessed the tadegy. I doubt if Willy Storey would have been in Calif. at the time.
Wade, Gunther with two cage aCTS PLUS Wolfgang. Charly Bauman with tigers and Dick Chipperfield with female lions and then leopards. Later would be Pvlo Noel and also Gunther Leopards and so on.Plus Gunther with two different riding tiger acts.
Now THAT'S entertainment!
This has been a great thread.
Johnny,
I thought Gunther put the leopard act together during Wolfgangs last two years, and did the tigers while Wolfgang did the lions, and then did the tigers and leopards in the two halves, after his departure? I also thought Dickie brought the leopards over for a different tour then the lions. And I still don't count riding acts as cage acts.
Wade
Don't forget the Samel's mixed cage act was in that mix somewhere, not sure of the years.
Wade,
My opinion,(not that it matters) is if they had to put a "cage" up to work it, then it was a "cage" act. Seems that some of those "riding" acts had three cats in them, what is your reasoning for not counting them?
For your amusement, Steve Allen added a bit to the phrase "there's a sucker born every minute"..."and you just came along at the right time."
Adaline
OK...when is a cage act really a cage act? And when is an act performed in a cage really not a cage act?
Would the globo del deatho be considered a cage act in the Paraquary-style as opposed to the American-stle and European-style?
Casey,
My reasoning is that the cage is already up. They have been worked without a cage. Are they then leash acts. If you work 12 horses in a ring it is called a liberty act, if you have a big and a little act follow it is called that, big and little.
Wade Burck
So then Wade,
Does Botchers Bear act meet your standard of a "cage" act. Cause I have seen a few of those on leashes as well. Or GGW's Leopards? Just trying to find the exact standard...
Wade/Casey....SOooo if a person wheeled out a cage to the "ring "Full of Pigeons" ...and removed them from the cage to work them ...would this be known as a Cage/Liberty act????.......
Anonymous,
A tiger has 5 claws. The poster looks like it has five claws. What are u trying to stir up?
Adam burck
Wade I am surprised at how little you know of your predisessors in the great cage on Ringling and other American circuses as well. Dick Chip spent one season with Blue where he worked his female lion act and then his leopard act. Both major cat acts, plus Bauman. I should not have referred to Gunthers as riding tigers as they were both certainly much more than just that in routine, number of animals, etc. No comparison to the general tiger and elephant or lion and horse that I believe you refer to. I believe any act of cat animals that worked in a cage-arena on Ringling would be a wild animal act in itself.I am quite aware of all the wonderful horse trainers and elephant tainers as well who have preceeded me with Ringling and or BandB and their accomplishments and proud to follow in their footsteps and again surprised at your remarks as you seem to have great knowledge and respect for those in Europe. Did you ever hear of Capt. Eddie Kuhn ?
Casey,
Yes, she would have a cage act because they set the cage "UP" for the Bears. If they did a dog act after she was finished in the cage because it was "left up", it would not be a cage act, it would be a dog act. She had a Polar Bear Act. Albert Rix had a Mixed Bear Act. Some who want to be more impressive then they are, would call 2 female and one male Polar Bear, and 4 browns a Polar Bear act so that folks who didn't know better would conjure up visions of what Ursula had. Albert didn't need that phony paper, the world knew "who" Albert was. If the cage was "left up" for the duration of the show and every juggler teeter board, horse, elephant, etc. worked in it, they would not be cage acts.
The beautiful act Henry worked, the Althoffs, the act Hawthorn had is called a riding tiger act, to differentiate it from a bareback riding act. And it has nothing to do with a standard or numbers. Althoffs had a tiger riding act, as did Henry Schroder. I had a tiger/lion riding act, later a tiger riding act when the lion was replaced with a white tiger. Henk Lyuek had a tiger riding act, as did Louis Knie. Flavio had a riding leopard act. Daniel Suskow can be seen training a "lion" riding act on one of the Ringling tapes. All done in the cage after the cat, bear, leopard etc. act, which is "left up" for them. I guess on a smaller show without a cage act, it could technically be called a cage act(as some would call 3 out of seven bears a Polar Bear Act) as the cage would be "set up" not "left up" for it.
Wade Burck
Re: Cage/no cage...
Thanks for triggering my memory
of the "WOW" moment when, at the end of Gunther's cage act, the cage drops and he walks out with his leopard around his shoulder and gently delivers it to its waiting cage.
Believe he did it more than one year at the Garden.
Did anyone else do this??
klsdad
Great minds... I was thinking about doves, then read Jim Z's coment. Does a cage act become an aviary act when it's for the birds?
Wade, seems like we can look at the "cage" in two ways. It's a means of restraint/safety, and it's a "prop" defining space in some way and sometimes physically used like any other prop. If a leash act goes into a cage for legal reasons, whether it's bears, or leopards, or whatever, it's still a leash act if the animals work tethered. The cage is just additional restraint. But if an act is always presented in a cage, ie. horses and cats, even if the horses could work outside a cage, the cats can't -- so it's cage act. Mudwrestling, for dexample, is a cage act. Dwarf tossing isn't.
Ben
Johnny,
PULEEZE!!!! Of course I know of my "predecessors" and respect there accomplishment. Whether they worked in the same show, one after the other, one before, one after, etc. etc. is of absolutely no importance to what "they did." It doesn't matter if Jorgen Christenson did what he did, with other horse acts on the show, on what show is insignificant. It is "WHAT" he did.
GGW/Henry Schroder used 2 horses and an elephant. The Althoffs used one horse. More impressive then Louis Knie and 3 elephants? I used a lion and tiger on an elephant. More impressive then Daniel with 2 lions on 2 horses? Now remember, it is tough to get those "jungle enemies" to work together. How about Flavio? Them "by God rhino's are so tough" nobody trains them, and he put a leopard on one, as have others. Oh wait a minute, Louis tiger jumped through 2 fire hoops, mine jumped through 3. How many did Henry's jump through. I know and don't wait for him to answer John. Ridiculous!!! They were all great "feline riding acts", using what props were at your disposal. What they "ride on" are "props" John. As significant to the act as aluminum or stainless.
As for respect, what "years" were those that Wolfgang, and Gunther did the Lion, Tiger, and Leopard act's together?
I know exactly what behaviors, that's right behaviors, I don't care what you think, GGW/Henry Schroder did in his act, as well as Henk Lueck, Louis Knie, and Daniel and myself. Why don't you describe them for us, trick by trick? I have to take your word for the Althoffs, as I am sure it is going to be factual, and unbiased. Junk is what Harriett Beatty did, but because we do study our predecessors, we moved in a different direction, to the beauty you witnessed(if you remember) Henry doing.
You use the term "major cat act". How many leopards did Dickie have, and how many lions, because that is of interest to Casey. Describe the act to me, John. What behaviors did he do? But you can call them tricks as you are describing the acts. I know, as I respected my predecessors enough to study, to learn what they were doing regardless of when or where they were doing it.
Wade Burck
KLSD,
I did with a tiger, but not a leopard, and on Hamid/Texas dates not Ringling as they "requested" I not do it, and they didn't drop the cage, they left it up, as I did the tiger riding act as soon as the shoulder carry tiger was taken off and put in the rolling cage, as the props were reset while an aerial act was working, and my costume top was changed. The elephant was often picketed by the cage dressed, as there was not time to go a great distance to get her, plus I could watch that she didn't eat the saddle, as I didn't have a superior assistant like Henry Schroder to depend on.
Wade Burck
Wade Burck
KSLD,
Jackpot for you. One time the riding tiger lion act was canceled due to "technical difficulties."
We were playing in a very small high school gymnasium(you know how the Shriners are, they still called it a circus) and there was only room for one ring and the cage which came out of it. Herta Cuneo and a guy were holding the elephant outside by the door so she could bring it in and give me the different costume top to change. Herta stepped inside the gym to see how much of the tiger act was left. Just as I was finishing up, there was a loud "Bang" and the two big doors to outside bowed in but didn't open. Herta and I ran outside to get the elephant, and there was nothing there, except the janitor of the building. Herta excitedly said, "where is the elephant and the guy that was here?" I janitor just as excitedly replied, " I think the elephant is on the other side of the building, and that guy ran down the street thata way, after the elephant slapped him into my now broken door."
She and I did find the elephant on the "other side of the building" with the saddle hanging under her belly. The guy apparently ran for 10 day's to the next 3 towns, because we didn't see him until then, when he stopped in to get his pay. He later bought a liberty horse act(not with the aforementioned pay, trust me), become an assistant performance director for the Greatest show on Earth, as well as promoting, and running a phone room for various shows. We did blow the lion and tiger riding act that day.
Wade Burck
I think the word cage act came from the time when wild animal acts where performed in a wagen build as a cage that housed the animals as well as been used to show them. If you have a animal act that needs to be performed in a cage because there is no other way to present it I would call it a cage act. There was no way we could have done the mixed act as we called it without a cage so I would say you have to call it a cage act.
But thats only my opinion
There is no cage big enough to hold some people's egos.
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anonymous,
Why can't you sign your name after a comment like that? You are brave enough to make a statement like that but not sign your name. Cowards like you make me sick.
Adam Burck
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