Tuesday, February 19, 2008

RBBB 1956 #12


rbbb12, originally uploaded by bucklesw1.

Posted by Buckles at 2/19/2008 06:06:00 AM

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Appears to be Roberto de Vasconcellos, Visconde Ponte de Barca, from Portugal (?), program billed as the "World's Premier Exponent of Dressage." In abortive '56 season, he was centered in a 5 high school horses' format that also included Erika Vasconcellos, Ilonka Karoly, Evy Karoly & Nadia Houcke. -- Bill Hall

19 February, 2008 12:00
Buckles said...

On the Orrin Davenport dates my dad and the Count hit it right off.
Despite the language barrier they would have long conversations.
Sort of an odd couple.

19 February, 2008 12:38
24-HOUR-MAN said...

RE: this horse,
It is my understanding that the white on an "overo", never crosses the spine. What say you expert horsemen?

19 February, 2008 16:41
Anonymous said...

Too bad Rebecca did not see the laundry hanging in the background.

19 February, 2008 16:52
Anonymous said...

24 hour man,
It look's to me like it is a Tovaro. Nice and loud isn't he. A looker like Trudy's leader in the POA act.
Wade Burck

19 February, 2008 17:45
Anonymous said...

I thought it was Overo or Tobiano ?
never heard the "crossing the spine" one, not being a horse expert, but I did hear many people say White on black or black on white
But whatever the answer, this is a beauty !

19 February, 2008 20:00
Anonymous said...

Lad,
A dead give away that it is a Tovero, (possessing charecteristic's of both Overo and Tobiano coat patterns, is the dark extending over the poll, the dark face, and the patch over the hip, as Bill pointed out. Not desirable, unless it's pedigree is in the cow horse field, as overo is the popular coat pattern today. Difficult, as an overo to overo cross will produce "Lethal foal syndrome", almost pure white, and the resulting foal "colic's" and die's within 48 hr's to one month. The homozygous tobiano is easier and "safer" to produce, hence it's greater numbers in the registry, and
the greater dollar demand for the overo.
Wade Burck

19 February, 2008 22:09
24-HOUR-MAN said...

This is also called "letal white syndrome"
Another genetic problem in the breed is HYPP, also called Impressive Syndrome, because it traces back to the super Quarter Horse stallion, "Impressive", they say there are about 55,000 horses carrying this today.
The reason I mention it is because Trudy & I almost bought Impressive when he was a yearling.

20 February, 2008 08:58
Anonymous said...

24 hour man,
You are right. I meant "lethal White Syndrome", I got my white's, and foal mixed up. I didn't realize your connection to Impressive. Most Overo breeders will stay away from Impresssive, unless he is way back, because of the possibility of "double jeopardy". What was the asking price of Impressive as a yearling?
Wade Burck

20 February, 2008 10:07
24-HOUR-MAN said...

The history of Impressive as I know it. A trainer from Ohio saw him in as a weanling colt priced at $2500, remarked he wouldn't amount to anything and passed. He was first offered to us by Blair Folk,(who by the way was the founder of the Congress) for $3500, then a couple months later for $20,000. We turned him down because of his age, we wanted to get a breeding program started right away, so we bought an 11 yr. old Stallion, "Mike Win",( who by the way stood Grand at the Congress that Fall.(1970)
Impressive sold for the $20,000, sold the following day for $40,000 to a man named Fennell(sp?)Brown, who turned down over twice that at the Congress.

Re: Trudy's lead horse "Caballo",
His grandsire on his sire's side was an imported Arabian.

20 February, 2008 12:00
Anonymous said...

24 hr. man,
Thanks for the "Impressive" history lesson. How many time's have you wished you had bought him, and put your breeding program on hold for a few years. With respect to Mike Win, who was an important sire in his day. The secret to success would have been to get those babies and grand babies out of there as quick as possible, before the arrival of DNA blood typing. Such is halter breeding. Some of the Plaudit line's in the Appaloosa breed were also damaged.
Caballo's Arabian ancestory was given away by his beauty, grace, elegance, intelligence, masculinity, charm and work ethic.
Some of the best, most beautiful quarter horse's I have ever seen had an Arabian sire/dam. We all know the best breed next to an Arabian is a 1/2-3/4 Arabian. Don't you agree, Billy.
Wade Burck

20 February, 2008 13:09
Anonymous said...

Addendum to 24 hr. man,
Billy, who was Caballo's grandfather, do you remember? My money say's he was Polish, possibly Egyptian. One of the most important Arabian sire's of his time was a Polish import named Aladdin. Little known fact, he was originally purchased by Trollie Rodin as one of 8 for a liberty act on his circus in Sweden,(like Krone, the quality of liberty horses in Europe is inarguable). The proud, fiery bay stallion had some issues with "who was at the top of the chain of command", and even questioned basic command's like whoa, and easy. He was sold to Mr. Robbie Van Hartog, who exported him to the United States where he was trained and stood, by the LaCroix family, owner's of the legendary Lasma Farms. Gene Lacroix founded the National Show Horse Registry, member's of which Col. Herriott and myself had the pleasure of working with in Lake Geneva. Alladin left an indeleable mark in the field's of english, western, and halter. He even helped a few park horse line's and shared a barn with the likes of Bask, Port Bask, and Kemosabi. A pretty good rag's to riches story for a great horse.
Wade Burck

20 February, 2008 14:27
24-HOUR-MAN said...

Can't remember right off, we have all those records stored around here somewhere, I do remember when we picked up Caballo, the man we bought him from had a framed picture of the Arabian on the wall. He sired a Leopard Spot Appy who was Caballos father.

20 February, 2008 20:10

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