| AN ADDED NOTE FROM BUCKLES: In reply to those inquiring minds that persist in asking about the details of last Saturday's lurid incident at the Club. I will only say that the old adage has again been proven correct. "Ladies worship and admire gentlemen but they sleep with scoundrels and criminals!" |
Wednesday, December 05, 2007
Ringling Red 1987 #2
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So as not to torture we curious blog readers, what say we refrain from cryptic gossip which cannot be clarified. This type of cruel and unusual punishment makes us crazy.
By the way, great photo!
From Eric:
The fact that Gunther wasn’t able to perform with Tommy must have been a great source of disappointment to Kenneth Feld. In his autobiography UNTAMED, Gunther tells about his lack of success with Tommy and about the time in Kansas City in 1988 when Tommy knocking him backwards 18 feet onto the concrete. (This no doubt explains why Tommy eventually ended up on the Blue Unit.) There is probably more to the Gunther-Tommy story than that, which I’m sure many of us would be interested to hear.
Tis not gossip but factual information delivered in the form of a Circus Cryotogram to protect the GUILTY parties.
We don't make the news; we just report it.
Making way back to the all-knowing crystal ball...
Sim sala bim.
+++All's quiet on the front track; rehearsal, visas, acts delayed overseas or missed the return bus from Wal-Mart...heavy lies the head of a clown.
Would you believe that he has already given her the house, no questions asked.
Maybe he was glad to be rid of both.
Her and the House are banished away as fast a pen to paper.
I've got to get on the East side of 75 more often.
Now that they aren't sharing domestic bliss in a common domicle I shall have to update my Christmas Card list.
The Joy of the Season to HIM at your new room on the train.
"I Saw Mrs. Kissing Pony Boy" underneath the Christmas Tree Last Night. And kindest best wishes for the New Year.
Regarding Tommy and Gunther-this information was given to me by a noted American animal trainer, who's name I cannot remember.
If this gentleman is a reader of this blog, please ID yourself and my apologies for not remembering.
The story goes: Tommy was accustomed to mud show American elephant men, plain and simple.
Along comes Gunther with his "Ger-Pol-Euro gibberish" and Tommy just couldn't be bothered. Tommy didn't know that Gunther was anybody, just a nuisance.
When Tommy was paired with Silverlake then things went along just fine cause they talked the same language, just like he had for years with Lee Keener.
I am just remembering one person's opinion and would be interested in hearing others' take on this.
Nothing beats Anonymous circus gossip, a real treat to be taken not as Gossip but rather Gospel. I am particularly fond of the unsigned character assassination approach. Makes it easier to knock certain execs, but still leaves room to beg for a job later if need be.
i dont think tommy knew what AtrA meant he knew what move up meant aswell as rondop but he knew what trunk up meant i agree he knew good old mud show lanuage ALEMO ps i just return from deep south in mexico and ran into the Fuentes n Gasca show ran into
victor that spend some time in the Vargas show . they were very hospitable and frendly in other words nice folks made me feel welcome . they were concern on our show issues . also they had there share with the animal activist . they were playinging in a dust bowl lot to a full house. seems like in mexico the towners still appreciate going to a circus .after the 15 wife and i are planing a visit to another show in Cabo San Lucas.CleanRaul
Alas, too true. Begging for a job from executives is the pits.
ALL RIGHT!!!!!! Enough is enough. I was on the Blue show in 1988, and was visiting the Red Show, and remember well the facility layout in Kansas City, and where the "great attack" occured. If Mdr had the nut's to have a name, I might have the nut's to tell my "version".
I too, would be interested in knowing who this "noted American animal trainer" is. I wonder if he is the same numbnut's that decided animal's like women better then men, or even know the difference. I'm thinking, if you can't remember who gave you an "opinion", maybe you can't remember the "opinion", and just phrased it that way, to have a tree to hide behind. RING, RING. Excuse me while I answer the phone. Wade Burck
Hello. Yes, I know I promised, Dr. Sobel,(of Analyze This fame). Yes, I fully understand the importance of being "charming". But Dr. Sobel, let me explain what another eunich said. Easy, easy, Dr. Sobel. I'm just the messanger. I think Dr. Freud, need's to work with both of us on this "charming" deal.
RECENTLY SPOTTED, headed north to Palmetto in a U-HAUL truck, getting out of Sarasota as fast as his short, stubby legs can push on the gas pedal.
Till death do us part.
Guess who is going to get killed in court over this one?
Just happened to stop by St Louis Mo. in the year in question. Mr.GGW asked me to come over and on the way to the K.T.semi, Louie Louie was sitting on a bull tub and GGW paused a moment to inform him on the benefits of possessing an alarm clock, Then we continued to the K.T. rig and awning. Mr.G. then off loaded Tommy and asked me if I knew anything about him. He then told me of the schooling he received in Kansas City. I was sure he showed Tommy for a while after that?
J.C.Hall
Wade,
Good to see your have finally rested up after the "date". I think you are being hard on yourself about the "charming" thing. You have been incredibly "charming" to blog viewers for say, the past 2 weeks or so....
Wait, you haven't posted a comment, since a few days before thanksgiving. Disregard. I gotta go, your shrink is on the phone telling me to not "Agitate" and cause an immediate remission of said un charming behavior.
There it is, Louie. I am sure glad you had been schooled in the value of an alarm clock, when you came to assist me with Boss's tiger's in 91. Your help made the gig easier. Best wishes, Wade Burck
P.S. Taba,
Short, stubby leg's heading North to Palmetto!!!! Quick, get the tiger's offloaded in Orlando, and check it out. I don't know who it is, but Casey seem's to think it's Lance. Wade Burck
Mr. WB--I was not trying to agitate anyone. I was relaying information I received a while ago. Since I am not an animal trainer I tossed this comment out to hear (in a non-agitated manner) what opinions animal trainers had.
I didn't say it was true and I didn't say it was false. I was merely proposing a topic for discussion, not to raise anyone's blood pressure.
Please share your thoughts, but please don't shout, Vargas did enough of that!
Mdr,
With all due respect. No, let me rephrase that, with a smidge of respect, nice shot at a patch, but no go. You didn't toss anything out, to hear what opinion other's had. At any press conference, or similar get together I have seen or been involved with, the "curious" reporter/individual, stand's up, states his or her name, that's an important part for validity, and await's the response.
An obvious ambush start's with "somebody told me, but I don't remember who." Followed by,"Along comes Gunther(Mr. William's to you, Sparky)with his
"Ger-Pol-Euro gibberish", and Tommy just couldn't be bothered. Tommy didn't know that Gunther(again, Mr. William's) was anybody, just a nuisance.
Here's my take. The "noted American Animal Trainer" you refer to, but are afraid to name is Mr. Woodcock. His quote was,
"ladies worship and admire gentlemen, but they sleep with scoundrels and criminals." You just took it out of context, like a good little ambusher, and figured he must have meant to say King Tusk, instead of ladies, and presto, a chance to ask a question that has troubled you through many a sleepless night.
Don't mistake my pity, for agitation. I was real agitated a couple of day's ago, when I thought that this "pony boy", everybody is refering to was Col. Herriott. I've calmed down after I was told it is Mr. Ian Garden, Sr. That's not a fact, Mdr, just a comment tossed out to you, to hear what opinion you have in my feverish quest for knowledge and understanding. Wade Burck
What did Mr. Burck just say? Was he insinuating that somebody is a gentleman, and somebody was a scoundrel, and somebody was a criminal? Who's who? What's what? Is it up, or is it down. This is crazy, this is insane. Somebody get to the bottom of this disaster. Faultless Peasant in Charge.
Another euphemism I frequently use is:
"Life is one long complicated tangle,
Death the only true unraveller."
Mdr,
Did you hear? A "noted American Animal Trainer", who I can't remember right now,(but he must be sick, because he say's he uses euphemism's), was quoted as saying that somebody got tangled in a rope, and death occured before they could get it unraveled. Apparently, it was a real complicated deal. Just thought you would want to know. Wade Burck
You know, up until I read Mr. WB's latest response I thought I had a fairly good understanding of the English language.
I think I'll learn Ger-Pol-Euro as a second language.
I never thought I'd say this: but right about now I MISS Vargas' shouting.
Mr. Burck,
I am old enough to remember when a certain animal trainer, YOU, was not in the circus business.
My first comment regarding Tommy and Gunther you will see that my last sentence requested opinions from others.
Also, years ago an act could make up an entire season playing spot dates. One would work with many people over the season and when looking back some details go fuzzy.
Also, during that time there were several "noted American trainers" working in the business, unlike today where the only "noted American trainer" is you, at least in your humble opinion.
I have to cut this short because I have to look for my dentures, my glasses and my Viagra.
Relax mdr, just wanting to see if one person will use many different aliasis, to pound different people. You see they are one in the same. Where did it say I was the only "noted animal trainer"? Another misinterpretation I guess. If you had asked about noted animal trainer's around today, I would have started at Evansville with Hall, Frisco, Ramos, Rosaire, Strong, Hermann, etc. and worked my way south, with Woodcock, Herriott, Garden, Dean Rosaire, etc., stopped to see Taba, and Raffo, etc. on the GSOE, before heading west to see Terranova, Johnson, Canine, etc. A trip to Europe would be too long to list. But you only wanted to know if the Lord of the Ring's had trouble with ONE animal. The point, which went way over, was SO WHAT!!, compared to his success's. Weather I was a "noted animal trainer", was never suggested, but thank you very much, it is appreciated. Wade Burck
Wade,
You couldn't have even put me in front of Shane, I had to be last?
I guess I feel good just making the "list"
And I was beginning to wonder if this friendship would ever pay off.
Casey,
Damn, I had completly forgotten about Shane. That Johnson was Gary. I had already headed way out west. And no, friendship or not, you shouldn't be listed before him. Doug was, only to "agitate". Now saddle up, use a 3 wrap dally, and get some meat. Wade Burck
Mr. Burck,
Before you blew everything out of proportion, all I asked was for opinions of other people.
It was a simple and fair request.
It was not an attempt to discredit anyone; it was just a request out of curiosity. Plain and simple.
Wooo, this is better than the old Rebecca cat fights - keep it going boys
HM
I have great admiration for the accomplishments of GGW, but am also aware of his failings and not because of sour grapes. He never made any effort to be "one of us" animal trainers in the field. Hugo did and even Charlie to a degree. I have always enjoyed the comraderie of all the guys, famous or not. I am glad that He did not get seriously hurt in his confrontation with Tommy, but maybe it took old Red Neck All American Circus Elephant Tommy to straightn his pompous ass out better than any of us could have done. I can just hear the snide remarks of Jimmy O'Dell and Smokey at hearing the news.
Rebecca, does not have a computer at this time, otherwise she would love to have jumped in several times. I wonder what the folks overseas think about all this chatter? How would it play in Liverpool?
johnny,
Is that you, Col. Damn, I would have never expected that from you. Maybe I should start using "to a degree" in my statement's. Then we can have fun, debating what a degree is, or better yet, "to what degree."
Wade Burck
jg,
Thank's for the tip. Although, I have never met Rebecca, if the back and forth has some how made her valid, or worse yet, something of a legend maybe now is a fine time to stop. I talked to my brother in France last night, and chatter oversea's appears all right. The only thing I know about Liverpool is. it is where the Beatles came from, and I don't think it matters what they think any more. Wade Burck
mdr,
Why don't you start a survey, and ask for those opinion's that you value so much. Out of the last seven poste's, this one and the preceding 6, who "seem's" to have courage, and dignity, and who will alway's be afraid. Wade, Johnny, Casey, Anomymous HM, jg, or mdr.
One thing I do know about GGW was, as good as he was with Tigers and Leopards, he was not a big fan of African Lions!
Subject.
(Red Necks Versus GGW )
This has got me to thinking. I wonder what Mr.GGW, talents were when it came to welding?
P.S.In my little part of the world, starting with Clyde Beatty then Robert Baudi and GGW out of all, were quite an inspiration as "Showmen Extraordinare to me when it came to the huge steel arena.(Strickly my opinion).
J.C.Hall
Red Necks/GGW
Quite Some years ago Kari had made a statment in regards to
pachederms:
"Strange elephants just won't hit Smokey".
I guess this appeared in print and Smokey was quite put out about it.
I recall some time ago my sister was discussing about a person getting slugged by an elephant and added, I wonder if they got hurt bad? Smokey's reply was, "Well I'm sure they didn't get hurt good hon".
J.C.Hall
Now I am confused,
What the .... does welding have to do with being a great animal trainer. As a youth, I did some welding for Mr. Baudy, at his place in Webster. We wintered across the street at the fairgrounds. I don't know if he could or couldn't weld,I never asked him. But I am pretty sure he could train cats.
I am still missing the part where Mr. Williams being bumped by the elephant, makes him less of an elephant man. Good thing he was such a great Horse and Cat man, so he had something to fall back on...
James C. Hall,
I am not positive, and I may be wrong, but I don't think they hired GGW to weld.
Wade Burck
Thank you Mr.Burck My point indeed.
J.C.Hall
When I was kid, in the winter we had two stock tanks in the living room where my Dad's alligators lived in the off season when it was too cold for the pit show trailer. Every Thursday there was bag with fifty pounds of frozen day old chicks -- I think we got them from the hatchery for free -- thawing in the mud room, on Friday the gators got fed, and on Saturday morning somebody had the thankless task of sticking hoses into the stock tanks, running them out through the door and down the hill, then sucking on the end of each hose to get a siphon started. there may be something fouler than a mouthful of week old water full of sewage and rotting chicken parts, but I haven't tasted it yet. The surest way in the world to be awarded the honor of cleaning gator tanks was wasting welding rods... and when you're sixteen and drive a car that cost fifty dollars, everything that can break does break. One my brothers later claimed he knew that he was adult and life was good when he could drive in Midas when he had muffler problems. I'm still too cheap for that, but I'm sure what he really meant was, when he could afford to fix his car with smelling like stinking reptiles.
Wow Mr Trumble,
You have inspired me. Most animal related jobs I have had, I got probably, not because I was the best guy at it, but rather, I was the lesser of evils, and could do many other things (I.E. Weld,Drive truck,etc etc)I however, feel privileged, to have never had to, suck gator feces infested water through a straw, to weld with the shows equipment, then chase their elephant around. I thank you, I thought the road I traveled was gravel with many holes. Turns out it was paved in silver.
Mr Cainan. Imagine my chagrin in this modern age where the ability to suck shit through a straw is no longer much of a job skill.
Mr Cainan - in Australia, if you can weld AND work animals or even if you can work animals AND weld, your road will be paved with gold!
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