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11 comments:
I never heard of "Padung" tigers before. Can Richard Reynolds or other comment on this circus sub-species.
the obvious question :
what does Royal Padung Tigers mean ?
Most of the cages on the new Cole show were from Christy Bros, but this one was from Robbins Bros and had come from the Hall farm along with a number other wagons etc. About forty years ago when J W Beggs was selling pix of the various wagons his family had made, this style of skyboard (also called a riser) turned up in the set, possibly meaning that Beggs Wagon had built the cage.
I smell a smart Press Agent. The Padung tribes live in the Golden Triangle along the Thai-Burmese border. The women used to elongate their necks using metal rings, which the villagers used to explain protected teh thraot from tiger attacks. i'm guessing any tiger exported out of the Thai-Burmese hill country could have been called a Padung tiger. And they all become "Royal" if a ministry of the King of Siam stamped the export paperwork.
Ben
I was just going to say, this sounds like something Bev Kelley would come up with.
So it's basically the same as "Nubian Lions"
Oddly enough many people,even recently, believe there are such things as "Black Maned and Nubian Lions"
I'm not really up on lion genetics. As I basically understand it coloration in the mane, once used to classify "Barbary Lions" as a distinct subform of P leo based strictly on gross morphology didn't stand the test of time once somebody figured out that ambient temperature is teh real factor in mane coloration. I assume "Nubian Lions" were supposed to be lions from North Africa, just as "Nubian" people were the people of southern Egypt -- what's now southern Sudan (Darfur.) I think that looking at DNA samples it's probably hard to justify most of the P leo subspecies anymore, though forf CITES purposes it's probably good to dinstinguish between animals from virtually extinct asian animals and the endangered West African populations versus healtier populations elsewhere
Barbary Lions are a distinct sub-species,also known as Atlas Lions,from the Atlas Mountains.
Black maned is no more significant than saying blonde or red-head.It only took video to dispell the myth of black manes and blonde manes being from different families.There are videos of male lions,with black and blonde manes, lying back to back,insinuating possibly brothers or at least "buddies"
Barbary lions were noted for their straight,coarse black manes that most often continued along the belly to the back legs. I believe the last of the true Barbary lions in North America were at Robert Baudy's Savage Kingdom. There are zoos that are presently claiming "predominately Barbary ancestry"Excuse me but I think their advertising Departments are working overtime.
Asian or Asiatic Lions, sometimes refered to as Gir Forest Lions were also a true sub-species.There may be a few left in America. The last I've heard of were at the Gladys Porter Zoo in Texas. Most African Lions are classed as just that.
There has always been the dispute over "lumpers" and "splitters"
depending on who was sponsoring the writers. Lumpers do not believe that every familial difference constitutes a true sub-specie. On the other hand splitters believe that everybody that went to a foreign continent had the right to "discover" a new specie,thus naming family differences as new sub-species,usually bearing some form of their name.
Academia does not have a definitive definition of the term "sub-species"
Thus making naming "new" sub-species no more significant than a circus ringmaster's hyperbole.
AS you may guess I am a "lumper".And as such reject the sub-specie "Florda Panther" as being anything more than a familial difference effected by diet and water source. I believe that in order to be a true sub-specie requires traits that "breed true" meaning that they are as consistent as numerically required by genetic numeric combinations.
So back to "Padung" tigers is kind of like saying "American Chopsticks "because they were harvested in Washington state.
But then a circus is entertainment not science.
Well spoken, Professor Dean!
Excellent summary, Larry. Reminds me of the time a Jungleland goof named Arnie Becker approached Mabel with a photo of a tiger, and dared her to tell him what kind it was. After she blasted him through the doors of the Snack Bar, she calmly turned to me and said, "These guys want to make a fool of you for any answer you give. The real answer is, you can't tell anymore. It's not like the old days. We had true and distinct brands of tigers. They came from certain parts of the world, and we bred back to their own kind. Remember when everyone had a fit that we were running out of tigers? They bred tigers with tigers to get tigers before it was too late. The blood lines crossed and the different brands lost purity, and it didn't take long, either. Only a few purebloods still stand clean, them that didn't get bred around. You see strong characteristics among stripes, but you're never sure what's mixed in anymore. They did it everywhere, and this gazooney wants me to wise him up from one damn picture." This from notes on our conversation on January 20, 1967.
Oddly enough tiger breeding has come up in conversation a lot lately.
I believe that most of the tigers in florida, even east of the Mississippi are heterozygous (white gene carriers) it is getting so there are very few people left that even know what a genetically healthy tiger looks like. Most of the tigers nowadays are extremely short-legged.allthough the gene pool of the whites has been cleaned up a bit due to diligence and the availability of geneticly seperated specimens. I believe the standard used by most commercial endeavors (cattle,horses,dogs,hogs,etc.) use 3 generations seperation as a standard.Due to most of the tigers being bred lately are under the care of the photo businessbreeders little correct breeding techniques are being adhered to.Especially considering that propagation of the white gene is much more profitable than breeding actual breeds of tigers.And currently efforts have been moving towards the breeding of more white lions,rather than invest those same resources into seeking out and breeding superior genetics.
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